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Explore a candid conversation between security expert Eleanor Saitta and technology thought leader Jez Humble in this 30-minute GOTO Unscripted interview. Delve into the critical role of architectural clarity in ensuring robust security and resilience. Learn about the challenges organizations face in adapting to changing ecosystems, the dual aspects of security in external services and internal IT operations, and the potential risks associated with Windows and Office usage. Gain insights on the significance of architectural awareness and basic IT hygiene in safeguarding against security threats. Discover valuable perspectives on building and maintaining secure, resilient systems whether you're working with an established team, taming a legacy ecosystem, or starting from scratch.